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brick_lane_batty_boy 10:57 Mon Feb 12
Kurt Zouma

I mean I've always thought it - but I think he was injured when we bought him. His knees just look shot to bits. He can't turn or run - and even more recently seems incapable of kicking the ball with any power. Which when your managers sole game plan is to lump it long from the back causes quite a few problems.

I actually like him - and think he would be good if his body worked. Put he looks like he needs to be put down. Really reminds me of how Carlton Cole used to amble around at the end of his career

Rossal 10:59 Mon Feb 12
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Centre back is quickly turning into one of the major issues we have to address in the summer

Nick QQQ 11:03 Mon Feb 12
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Whether it’s and injury or not, he isn’t anywhere near up to the speed of professional football. Like you say can’t kick a ball either. Still club captain and all that though.. another Moyes special

1964 11:12 Mon Feb 12
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The bloke wasatrocious yesterday.

Eerie Descent 11:35 Mon Feb 12
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We have £100mil worth of centre backs, and we can't defend. It's fucking hilarious.

The value we could've got when signing this clearly broken play a couple of years ago for £30miland £120k a week. Fucking hell.

Let's not forget £35mil on the hapless Aguerd.

You could buy Luton's whole squad for what we paid for those 2, yet look how they are fighting most weeks. Thanks, MOYESIAH son.

southbankbornnbred 11:58 Mon Feb 12
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Don't know exactly what his injury problem is (beyond his knees), but he looks shot to shit. Genuinely. His form since Christmas has been atrocious and, physically, he looks incapable of playing at the highest level.

Now, he might be nursing further short-term injuries etc - so perhaps he can get some form back. But right now the guy looks like less than a Championship player. When combined with Aguerd's regular poor decision-making and Mav's ricket-strewn start to his career, we look god-awful at the back - hence we're shipping what feels like a thousand goals a game at the moment.

The idea that Moyes has made us more "robust" has been well and truly shot to shit in recent weeks.

Yesterday was atrocious beyond words. But the worst thing is that Fulham and Liverpool did something similar to us. And others will, too, unless we do something to stop the rot - sharpish.

The wheels have well and truly fallen off. No win and just two goals since Christmas (one from open play). Leaking goals like a sieve. Forget a new three-year contract - Moyes should be told he has three games to save his job.

Ron Eff 12:06 Mon Feb 12
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Rossal, the only non priority area in the summer is right wing assuming we keep Kudus. The only issue there two of our best players play there so one has to be played out of position.

In the summer, we realistically need: At least one centre forward, at least one left winger, a replacement for Paqueta when he either goes or is banned, a centre midfielder who can play and has an engine, at least one right back, a back up left back, two centre halfs.

It’s good, isn’t it?

dealcanvey 12:13 Mon Feb 12
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I dont think he's a bad defender.

He looks like he is going to fall to pieces at any moment mind.

zico 12:23 Mon Feb 12
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Heard somewhere last night that at his medical there were concerns and that's why Chelsea wanted shot of him and no-one else was queuing up to buy. Typical West Ham.

southbankbornnbred 12:29 Mon Feb 12
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Deal - agreed: I think most fans would say he's a good defender when he's fully fit and healthy. But those days are few and far between at the moment. The guy can barely run at the moment. He was awful yesterday. Mond you, you could say that about every one of our players.

twoleftfeet 12:30 Mon Feb 12
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He has also lost his spring, he is out jumped every time.

He needs a long rest and probably surgery but I don’t think he will ever be what he was.

Should have signed Maguire 😊

daveyg 12:38 Mon Feb 12
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Who's going to play against Forest.
Surely not Zouma.
From his substitution he's one to blame.
Both the remaining cb looked just as bad.
That leaves Ogbonna, God help us.

The same applies to Alvarez,Moyes says he become a liability.
So we'll have Ogbonna and Phillips not far off each.
Struth

Eerie Descent 12:42 Mon Feb 12
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Feet, seriously, give it up you thick fucking cunt.

Concentrate more on why the charlatan spent 2 years chasing the hapless £35mil Aguerd.

Northern Sold 12:51 Mon Feb 12
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He reminded me yesterday of my 14 year old Black Lab the day we had him put down...

Pav BML 1:13 Mon Feb 12
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Big part of yesterday for me was not one player out there shouting at each other trying to lead the team. All of them looking at the ground but most of all him. The fact he's a captain is ridiculous but there aren't any other leaders out there unfortunately. Was briefly an upgrade on what we had but clearly his knees are shot. I still think Aguerd is worse, Mavropounos is first name CB for me atm and that is worrying

Eerie Descent 1:19 Mon Feb 12
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Northern Sold 12:51 Mon Feb 12

Still enjoying Moyesball, son?

southbankbornnbred 1:27 Mon Feb 12
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Mav is half-decent, and has the biggest room for improvement of the CB group. But right now he also looks like a mistake waiting to happen. Even on his good days, he'll play well for 89 minutes - but have a lapse in concentration and it'll be a howler that costs us dearly (like his backpass against Bristol City).

Needs to work on his concentration across 90 minutes. But he does look a decent defender physically etc.

Zouma currently looks shot, Aguerd has gone backwards since joining and looks like he doesn't enjoy the physicality of defending, and Oggy is getting on.

Apart from that, we're in rude health when it comes to CBs!

zico 1:34 Mon Feb 12
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Part of the problem is like everywhere else on the pitch there are no partnerships. Back in the day you had Martin and Gale and Alvin took on all the physical stuff and Gale was the ball player, although Alvin could play a bit himself. So in theory a fit Zouma or Mav alongside Aguerd should work, but like many others Aguerd's confidence looks shot and if you are usually a calm, assured player confidence is something you need. Maybe stick Alvarez at centre back and play Phillips in his natural position. Alvarez cards are because we don't have the ball. You get less cards if you actually have possession!

Gary Strodders shank 1:37 Mon Feb 12
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Dawson was probably Moyes best defensive signing and cost next to nothing which pretty much sums things up.

As for the other central defenders they are either to old, injury prone and immobile or in the case of Aguard and the Greek lad very error prone.

Any young defender coming through the ranks isn't given a chance and sold on or farmed out on loan before being sold.

Moyes has done nothing to promote young players which must be soul destroying to those involved.

southbankbornnbred 1:43 Mon Feb 12
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Aguerd needs to toughen up, physically.

There's a good player in there somewhere. But he visibly shirks the physical stuff.

You can get away with that in Ligue 1 in France, if you read the game well. But despite the technical improvements here, the Premier League is still more physical, and relentless, and if you want to play centre half then you have to be prepared to suffer some pain throughout games. Especially with the way Moyes sets up - with our low block requiring "bodies on the line" in the way Dawson etc got it (and Zouma when he first arrived, in all fairness to him).

Aguerd looks hesitant and reluctant too often. Reads the game well and is quick. But he needs more physicality if we're going to play Moyesball.

twoleftfeet 1:52 Mon Feb 12
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You still hear ED?

I need to pray harder.

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